The top does all the buying and selling...the bottom speculates.
The crash was where the top sold...the surge was started when the top covered their shorts.
The scale of the current debt inflationary self delusional bubble is 6 to 8 times larger. Scaled up it could take over 10 years of "milking" by the top to reach the 1933 level.
1929-1933 was the collapse of the last global trade system...It was followed by the 1933-1945 bankruptcy reorganization of the world...about 10% of the global population around that time was liquidated.
The top seems to desire a 90% liquidation this time.
Scaled up it will take around 72 to 96 years to reach the bottom...or end of the liquidation of the current global trade system.
Or control is lost and it implodes to oblivion far more rapidly.
There is around 210 Trillion Dollars equivalent global circulating money supply. US Dollars make up 52 Trillion of it. The 65 year old Bretton Woods global trade system is collapsing. The US money supply for the first time since the 1930's contracted in the 3/09 quarter.
Even if not one more penny of new money was created...that 210 Trillion is in search of yield and just a few billion flooding into metals is enough to cause rapid gains. These doomsday spike ups will start becoming more common as all the existing money in circulation desperately jumps around searching for yield.
Yields are drying up fast.
The metals are up because there's no glut of them and 210 Trillion dollars globally is in search of yield.
From this point there are two options...
Hyperinflate to maximum potential and then implode to oblivion...quick
or
Continue on the current slow waterfall decline to oblivion...slow
There is more than enough production to make all rich...One slight problem.
How do you cause farmers to produce 1000's of times more food than they require to sustain their existence?
How do you keep everyone "working"
or playing the game.
Sorry folks but this is nothing new...It's as old as civilization...the system requires you all to work...it implodes if you all reach maximum potential.
There are many maximum potentials...this is one of them.
It would be foolish if I as employer supplied my employees with the means to stop being my employees.
It's your purpose...It's why the vast majority of you exist...
The top lives off the yield from the bottom.
All that the top has comes from the bottom.
You all must supply the top.
The bottom supplies the top with all the power...the top then supplies the bottom with power...but just enough to make the bottom happy. So that the bottom toils day in and day out till the day they die supplying the top with power.
Bottom supports the top.
The purpose of the Police and military is to protect the top from the bottom...
To protect cause from consequence...
The easiest prey of the hunter gatherer is the farmer and the simplest operation is the protection scheme...
You are either with us or against us...
All money is decreed money...fiat...
The top says this is money...Or else...period end of story....
You Farmer are on the Land owned by the LORD of the land and will pay tribute to the LORD of 1 Gold coin a year...
Where do I get this GOLD coin?
You can take one short ton of grain to the grainery of the LORD and there you will be given a GOLD coin for it and then you can give the gold coin to the servant of the LORD...
What if I refuse?
Then the LORD will drive you from the Land that the LORD is the LORD of...
There you go an abundant supply of free food to power your wildest hopes and dreams...Lies and delusions...
22 And the LORD said, Behold! The man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and also take from the Tree of Life, and eat, and live forever,
23 The LORD sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground out of which he was taken.
24 And He drove the man out. And He lodged the cherubs at the east of the Garden of Eden, and the flaming sword whirling around to guard the way of the Tree of Life.
Well what is done with all that Food the tillers of the LORD's land give the LORD as Tribute?
It powers the Absolute capitalist Hierarchial food powered make work enterprise...
The city state...Or Civilization...
The thing you all popped into existence within...the thing you are in right now.
The farmers produce 1000's of times more than they require to sustain all of you non-producers because they need to obtain money.
The top invented money and own all the money on Earth.
You all just rent it.
The top know how to construct what you all call civilization from the dirt up.
You all don't.
You all have been socially engineered with mental and moral barriers that cause you all to be unable to.
The people that created the first one 1000's of years ago did not worry about offending the LORD.
Because there was no LORD until the first one.
Everything you all think you know was told to you by the top...The top taught you all how to read...write...do math...and how to think.
The top knows the difference between Truth and lies because the top has told all the lies you currently think, hope, and believe are Truth.
Ok what if all that stored power were to be distributed equally?
The system would hyperinflate and then implode to oblivion.
You all must toil day in and day out to support those that do not...
Those above you are supported by those below.
You could of course run into the wilderness and avoid all contact with civilization to escape. Because inside this thing you are in there is no escape.
You will never be top and there are billions below you all holding you all up.
Billions of people basically just like you slaving and dying day in and day out that you don't care in the slightest about...
You are all selfish beyond your ability to comprehend.
The cure or solution to this accounting irregularity will basically kill you all.
You will all continue marching to doom with glee...towards maximum potential.
And then you all will die.
Like you have been doing for 1000's and 1000's of years.
There is no other way for an employer to employ you all.
There is no other way to take advantage of you all.
All you can do is whine and cry for salvation from Truth.
Unfortunately or fortunately...Truth is infinite and indestructible...there never will be salvation from Truth.
That is ultimately what you are all searching for...
It's how the top keeps you all busy...toiling day in and day out. By keeping you all searching for something you will never find. You all will run in terror from that which you are inevitably going to smash into.
Truth.
You will continue wasting time having love affairs with lies.
OMG just look at all that glorious money...
Just a bunch of Pavlov's dogs.
A New post to compete with the 24/7 multi billion Dollar mindfreak?
Sorry but the trend is your friend and the top is leveraging the lower high.
The top operates on certainty...there is no speculation.
They will pull the so called plug once that is the only option.
As long as you all continue sacrificing day in and day out keeping everything from collapsing...it won't.
The bottom does everything...the top does nothing.
Bums collecting pop bottles from dumpsters do more than the top does.
The system is just a machine...it just operates until it can't any longer.
The system will collapse when you all do.
When you all reach the end...when you all can no longer sustain it.
THE TOP DO ZERO...THE BOTTOM DOES ALL THE WORK.
All of you...day in and day out.
Do it all.
The top does nothing except of course claim to be doing something.
Can you believe it...there are people that are so called owners of businesses.
But all they are is self-employed employees.
Zealots.
Other than running into the wilderness and avoiding all contact...there is no escape.
resistance...just provides employment to those hired to deal with fate resisters.
The top knows that all the things you all deeply believe are truth are lies.
The top did not grow up as you did...all the lies and delusions you all currently cherish as truth are known to be lies by the top.
Because the top taught the bottom everything.
You are all products...
The primary purpose of school is to produce drones...to socially engineer new drones for the previously produced drones to exploit for fun and profit.
Period end of story.
You all will spend your entire lives desperately fighting to stay asleep...frantically searching for something you never want to find.
I take it we have enough time to build the new improved matrix this time - mansions for everyone.
ReplyDeleteWhats the point of taking your conspiracy beyond and bounds of rational thought and just swimming around in it and relishing it?
ReplyDeleteBeing stuck with one brand of interpreting the system?
The system is something arbitrary that was 'thought up' and could have done a number of things differently and still can change into something else.
You could get out more and smell the roses Tiger Technocracy and thermodynamics
Become a social activist instead of a doomer.
The future can be friendly, it is only a matter of agreement.
Money History and Energy Accounting
Its not Capitalism friend.
Its the political Price System.
Any system using debt tokens.
If the system does not work then the Lord does not get paid... and yes that is the end and we change into something else.
Soon.
Why not clue people as to a humanitarian and secular method?
Do something instead of just pointing out one aspect of the dynamic.
I tend to think the rate of collapse requires more than a standard linear regression to determine.
ReplyDeleteIt may be that n=x(Sqrt(debt/assets)) where n is the years to collapse, x is a multiplier that shifts in accordance with measurement of influences by Austrian principles, debt is total debt denominated in FRNs and assets are total assets demoninated in currently priced FRNs. Perhaps it is something entirely different, but regardless, I don't think it's a directly linear relationship.
If you measure the time it takes for a 10 storey building to collapse, and compare it to the time taken for a 100 storey building to collapse, the time is not changed by a factor of ten. Momentum hastens the rate. Our collapse is most likely to follow similar principles.
Your underlying points cannot be questioned though. We live in a fabricated reality. Those who have influenced its existence had motives which hold true today. But our ability to service those motives has decreased. As the bottom ceases to offer value to the top, the top will cease to offer value to the bottom and the collapse will occur. What happens to yeast will happen to us. When we outgrow our habitat and use up essential resources, we will die en masse.
There is no new model... there hasn't been for thousands of years. There is growth to terminal velocity followed by destruction. After the damage, we recover and repeat the process. Short of a divine intervention, this will not change.
Greed is driving growth of the model, in an effort to leverage the upcoming 1.5 billion Chinese consumers. They work harder, service the top better, require less effort to maintain, and consume less excess. If they manage to usher in their civilization as the next that grows to terminal velocity and dies, then they will. Our failure is not dependent on the ability of the Chinese to take hold.
We are carrion. We're gasping for last breaths, not even cognizant of impending death. The amount of debt in circulation so exceeds the wealth it may buy. The debt equation cannot be solved but through currency devaluation and debt destruction. That brings about the end of our system and ushers in the next.
With the collapse of the system comes a temporary collapse of the supply side of life's equation. It won't be pretty, but it will happen. A few of us prepare in hopes we can survive, but we all make our own choices. Those who prefer denial are welcome to enjoy its fruits.
PS. There is no conspiracy on HT's site. The conspiracy is what HT is pointing to and educating you on. It's the system you are in that you don't even see.
Follow my links Siege.
ReplyDeleteAnd ah no... this site looks like a doomer site and that approach is not really creative.
There are alternatives.
A petty survival attempt by people that quote Austrian school economics is not going to make it with anyone any how.
It was figured out by 1934 what the alternative to the political price system is, and it is the Technocracy technate design.
It is not an oligarchic people control mechanism like the class society political religious system.. it is a science applied to society approach.
Ok Doomer, if you want any new information investigate Technocracy.
Divine intervention is not gonna happen... however a thoughtful creative and humanistic approach can happen.
The future can be friendly, it is only a matter of agreement.
You suggest a system where power shifts from one party to another. But surely you realize the comforts of the current model are predicated upon the ability to extract wealth and quality of life from beings in other nations. The very nature of our system is injustice, to which people have become accustomed. I applaud your search for a solution, but regret that I do not share your faith in mankind. I do not believe the substitution of one ruling body for another will lead to either balance or justice.
ReplyDeleteThere is a philosophy engrained through current culture, teaching us mediocracy is not acceptable; we must do better than those around us. Honor today has a price, and the end too often justifies the means. Hardship is the cure for this. I am no doomer. I am a realist that believes the corruption in this system requires purging. I believe there are many on this planet that will not respect what they have until they do without. But most importantly, I'm of the opinion that the human population cannot maintain exponential growth without repercussion.
What we are in now is not natural. Through collapse, balance will be restored. I would like to suggest the cycle will not repeat, that we have learned from our errors. History suggests otherwise. But in response to your suggestion, the one thing I do know is that trading one set of rulers for another solves nothing.
So hyper, it will take 10 years of lower low before THE bottom hit, followed by drone liquidation.
ReplyDeleteMeans that we won't have world war 3 before 2020's, which is not a bad news.. becoz many of today drones will be die peacefully before 2020's.
Thanks.
wew, the liquidation is doing by war ? i don't see anything but scream
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ReplyDeleteI do not come here often.
Here is more info. on what I was talking about Technocracy connector information
It may seem strange to see actual 'viable' alternative ideas because mostly they are not presented anywhere but on a handful of Technocracy technate sites.
Changes in media has brought this information back.
I can tell you for sure that this is different in terms of how it is thought out.
It is not and never was an oligarchic people control political or religious thing like we inherited from the middle east.
This makes it unique. I invite you to investigate us and help us. The Tiger is also invited.
Here is a vid. that is kind of fun Technocracy and oligarchy?
Thanks.
All this new energy crap makes me ill. The foreign debt enablers are happy to let us chase our tails in that domain...you know for the sake of jobs. Build a better battery for the electric cars. Big whoopdee do. But the pharmaceutical industry, now that must be destroyed. Chemistry is now one of those "worthless" careers on our side of the pond. Tell that to someone who gets injected a couple of times and suddenly has severe parkinsons.
ReplyDeleteSame with the notion of making a living on the family farm. Nope, can't have that. Give us your farm land, you lousy american serfs.
"But again, truth be told...if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror." - V for Vendetta
ReplyDeleteThe reason the whole mess works is that each individual holds it up like an edifice. It can come crashing down in an instant if enough people withdraw and refuse to play along. Yes schools and institutions are designed to destroy the mind and rebuild it according to an illusion. And what a marvelous illusion it is!
The core message here is that we can shape the illusion any which way we like but it depends on each person individually. Take responsibility for your situation!
lol@skip sievert now reduced to anonymously peddling his bootleg version of technocracy...,
ReplyDeleteyou should try jay hanson's america2.0 skip. a whole buncha smart, capable, and affluent peak oilers have been sold on technocracy and are making plans to try and boost its profile.
Technocracy using energy tokens seems like debt tokens to me. Also the herding of people into urbanites seems boring. Can people choose to live rural lives under such a system?
ReplyDeleteSo who exactly is The Top? Is it the government? But governments and their officials come and go as they lose their power to other officials who take their place. It's not rich citizens like Buffet who have been described as a peasant who is slightly higher up on the hierarchy of peasants. Who is it?
ReplyDeleteIt's not the govt......They are just the pawns on the grand chessboard. Think Rothschild, Think Rockefeller, Elite's, money manipulators, International banksters. etc etc. Its all designed
ReplyDeleteHyper, I'm a Nanotechnologist. Thats where you design really cool *ASBESTOS* like particles that swim around your body fixing your cells until, of course, it causes cancer just like asbestos does. Now every second article in Nature Nanotechnology is about how nanotoxicology is no big deal, shit its just asbestos afterall. HAHAHAHAHAHA...science gotta love it.
ReplyDeleteNow I gotta go get a bloombox, a fuel cell that will revolutionize society. Mankind has only been working on fuel cells for like hundreds of years. I'm sure this is the real deal, 60 minutes is never wrong.
Gotta go, Hyper...I'll take my red wine extract pills that will make me live forever just like 60 minues said it would and then get back to work on the fusion machine...you know that nobel laureate Robert Laughlin says will revolutionize society. I mean look at the sun up close, its a really violent place but I'm sure our scientists can tame it no problemo.
Hyper, the local news people just said that a university did a study on mice and found that taking a bunch of vitamins and anti-oxidants made them live twice as long. I immediately raced to the drug store and $600 worth of *scientifically* verified goodness. Now I'm going to live forever! Isn't TV wonderful!
ReplyDelete"They work harder"
ReplyDeleteYa Siege, that must be it...surely it can't be the wage differential (140/month versus 2700/month).
If only I worked harder, damn it the oligarchs would surely stick behind me!
Whatever happened to the mathematical certainty of this currency collapse taking place in a big hurry. Now we get this 90 year shit. Oh I guess that exponential function hockey stick graph thingee doesn't mean shit afterall. Just a little reorg ever once in a while and everything is just dorky.
ReplyDeleteDude, you're just another dart thrower.
We need to master nuclear fusion and then we'll ride off to the stars
ReplyDeleteI'm going to take a course on differential geometry at my local "world class" university (aka financial institution) and ramp up to level 5 in brain workshop. Then I'm gonna go down to the employment office and pull out my dick and urinate on the head of the twit bitch admin and dare her to match my intelligence.
ReplyDeletehttp://brainworkshop.sourceforge.net/
Wage differential...
ReplyDeleteWe agree. When I mentioned they consume less excess, that's all about the wage differential. They buying power exchanged for services dictates the amount of excess consumed. For the top to filter more, they either need greater productive efficiency or lower reimbursement. That equasion is better served in China.
hyper, are you still working on that separation of isotopes by laser excitation thingy?
ReplyDeleteC'mon, surely you realize by now that with securitization innovation, loan volume can increase forever and ever.
People, we are doomed!
ReplyDeletehttp://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_type=line&width=1000&height=600&preserve_ratio=true&s[1][id]=MULT
Yes, I'm a bit disturbed by "imminent and total collapse" retracted to "sometime within the next 60 years..." That's quite a change.
ReplyDeleteHYPER?
I'm sure your rantings will be facinaiting to read once I have learn't to read.
ReplyDeleteI can write, but only from the bottom.
There is no conspiracy, the facts are right in front of your eyes. To understand the Truth all one has to do is chart the equation. The equation is unsustainable for more than a generation or so. Humans have a choice but they keep picking the mindless virus path.
ReplyDeleteLatest Z1 Report shows the 3rd quarter in a row of the system collapsing on itself.
Kunstler Reader:
ReplyDeleteIf you made it this far, you will know you must read more. Best Wishes...
Hyper, don't give us that equation bullshit...just tell us when the Euro is going to collapse so we can get rich and join the top.
ReplyDeleteUh, Mako, I mean Hyper, is now posting on ZeroHedge with the same old Global Credit inflation is not increasing therefore its Deflation message.
ReplyDeleteWhat that means for currencies, stocks, etc is a different matter. What is actionable on a specific timescale? I have no idea except that I guess Repo men will be in high demand.
Mako, come back...mhuahahaa
ReplyDeleteHey is not me and I am not him. I post under Mako on ZeroHedge and now have put up a blog.
ReplyDeletehttp://worlddarkestdays.blogspot.com/
To be honest, hypertiger has covered the flaw of the financial system as well as anyone. I don't know what else there is to say.
DD: Nice blog you have there.
ReplyDeletePlain and simple fact...
ReplyDeleteIt's over...All that this system can do is inflate greater than previous inflation to maximum potential and then inflate less than previous inflation to maximum potential.
Maximum potential is infinity...key problem is that it's impossible to inflate infinitely in the Universe...It's what makes waves.
The bubble that built up globally prior to the reaching of maximum potential in the late 1920's was smaller and far shorter lived.
This bubble that has just started to pop is 6-8 times larger.
It will take decades to inflate less than previous inflation to maximum potential.
Such as move to a small town and watch a city crumble in the distance.
For many it will transform into a seemingly never ending nightmare.
This so called economic crisis was slammed with the greatest global economic intervention in history.
Which allowed more time to be bought.
Just like last time.
All the yucky things coming home to roost are still years away.
Nothing significant has really happened yet.
The US Dollar was weaked? The Chinese did some creative accounting shorted some Dollars to finance the 100's of billions of US dollars intervention in their own economy.
It truely is a nightmare when you know what is really going on to sustain postponement of the reaching the point of maximum potential.
Because on the day that point is reached there will not be anything that can be done to postpone the yucky any longer.
Because all that the system can do is inflate greater than previous inflation to maximum potential and then inflate less than previous inflation to maximum potential.
There is no way to stop the yucky from happening once the yummy part is allowed.
and the longer you try to sustain the yummy part the yuckyness of the yucky part becomes exponentially yuckier.
The greater you increase the debt inflation the greater the debt inflationary potential becomes.
The US money supply has basically stopped growing the past 3 quarters.
Kinda how the Chinese were able to dump Dollars or rapidly incresing the supply on the market without collapsing the value of the US Dollar.
The top will avoid doing what they need to do for as long as possible but ultimatey their system will reach a point where the top will be forced to stop.
Because the top need the bottom to help them and the bottom are not going to help the top do what the top needs them to do until the bottom needs to do it.
Hyper what does the top need the bottom to do?
Construct and maintain the machine that extracts and supplies all the power they are addicted to.
It's all that the bottom knows how to do.
The bottom will do it until they can't and then they will keep trying until they can again.
That's what you drones are employed to do.
Imagine the armies of Earth marching to their death to protect them for 1000's of years
You are them and they are you.
But of course far different educations.
Or social engineering.
For 1000's of years.
You all will rebuild and maintain this system.
At this point that's the solution and has always been the solution or logical conclusion to the compounding interest equation.
Inflate to maximum potential and then deflate to maximum potential.
The collapse and expansion of the new world order share the same point in time.
ReplyDeleteof course the new world order becomes the old world order but those who construct and maintain them think that they are not in the new world order.
The new world order is what you popped into existance within.
The top have been aware for 1000's of years of the fact that all that their system can do is ride the wave.
Of cource the drones are not told because the bottom are no different from the top...They are human beings and the bottom would demand an end be put to this arrangement.
Unfortunately there is no way....Other than causing a premature implosion of the system...
But all that the drones know how to do is construct and maintain them.
They would have to choose the path of most resistance when the maximum potential is reached.
Or choose to not do what they have been doing for 1000's of years
the vast majority of the power the bottom is supplying to the top is being reinvested into preperations for the reaching of maximum potential.
The top buys the survivors up for next to nothing at the logical conclusion and it's rebuild the new world order again or starve.
Well you idiots never seem to figure out that you have been employed all these 1000's of years by the top constructing and destroying the New World Order over an over again.
In the end you all will fight to the death for the top trying to reaquire what you never had to begin with or aquire what you never will.
Like all the previous times.
There are choices that are made and they are followed by logical conclusions.
Once the choice is made the logical conclusion is a certainty.
Reasonable assumptions are not logical conclusions unfortunately.
basically there is nothing that can be done to stop arrival at the maximum potential of inflation greater than previous inflation of the global system and when maximum potential is reached...the full power of the top will be utilized to force you all into following the path of least resistance.
The path of least resistance is the same path that lightning bolts and bacteria follow...
The capitalists capitalize on all I have shown you.
That point is where the biggest bang for the buck happens...hey where's a good entry point?
That is where the top will have the greatest amount of power to force you all to do what they want you to do...
After the choice is made its basically live off the rent you all will pay for the cost of financing.
for decades until it's time to sell again.
Until of course the bottom can no longer make the rent payments any longer and the whole thing implodes again.
The oblivious drones toiling away for 1000's of years.
Just in case you were unaware of what you are currently employed to do.
your job is to see all the good stuff and ignore all the bad stuff...
You job is to march to your doom with glee.
It's what you all are currently doing while you are waiting around to cease to exist.
Whether you think so or not is irrelevant.
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ReplyDeleteFYI
ReplyDeleteGIM and your postings are due to implode tomorrow morn.
Just think positive ignore the negative.
ReplyDeleteA lie and a delusion which is a lie you tell yourself is embraced when an escape from Truth is required.
Truth is negative but that is the first lie that is told.
All Truth is positive and all lies are negative.
Positive because that is the source of power.
wipe away lies and all that can continue existing is Truth
Truth exists at the same time as lies.
The old lies die and new ones are born.
Truth has no beginning or end.
It can never be destroyed.
The liars of course will create or utilize a reasonable assumption or lie to explain what comes after the equals sign.
A lie to ignore truth.
The just lie to yourself and others and ignore Truth.
Equation
1+1=?
Those that just think positive and ignore the negative ignore truth and love to lie.
the unknown is almost everything except 2.
Unless they choose to or are forced to stop ignoring Truth.
They will ignore it.
Massive amounts of information on how to find the source of all power exists but is ignored.
The global economic system which is massive is also fracturing.
As in...Hey, we are going to invest what is required to postpone reaching the point at which we can no aquire the required amount.
At that point...no matter what we do...there will be no way to just think positive and ignore Truth.
To supply what the lie demands to sustain it's fight againt Truth.
Reguardless.
Whether I'm around to point this out or not.
The old lies die fighting Truth and new lies are produced to replace them.
Hey HT & TFA. Ash_Williams from the old GIM here. You may have noticed it got closed down a week ago. It redirects to GIM2 now (rumor has it HT or an HT impostor was recently banned from that site) and many of the members are over at http://gold-silver.us/
ReplyDeleteHT makes for an interesting philosopher/ social commentator. I can't argue with HT on most of his points. I "popped" into the matrix nearly 40 years ago and when I compare HT's basic tenets with all of my life's experiences, I find no ground from which to say he is mistaken.
ReplyDeleteFor instance, I need a new canopy for the beach here in Florida. My wife just told me that Target has 10 x 10s "on sale" for $65. Now, if I consider the amount of energy and time it takes to produce my new canopy, it is not hard to see why oppressed labor thousands of miles away is required.
And what of my "guilt" as I hoist my canopy to the sky so that it might provide gentle and merciful shade while my family and I play in the water and sand? Why, it is nowhere to be found. The fact of toiling and dying Chinese laborers that cater to my extraneous desires would serve only to upset an otherwise well-deserved day of relaxation.
No, the current system must implode. It is too far out of balance- economically and morally. There is a price to be paid someday- and it will undoubtedly cost much more that $65. Thankfully, I will have sublime shade to enjoy the chaotic scenes of desperation and death.
Zzzzzzzz... Get a job.
ReplyDeleteWhat is Truth
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