tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post2386801489244228051..comments2024-03-20T18:35:40.565-07:00Comments on Hypertiger Wisdoms: You Can't Screw People Over Forever...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-24884026585845374702008-07-18T02:02:00.000-07:002008-07-18T02:02:00.000-07:00"Sure, we have more toys, bigger houses, instant c..."Sure, we have more toys, bigger houses, instant communication, ipods, wii and what have you. But how have we progressed as human beings. Not you specifically... in general."<BR/><BR/>Um... is this going to get into a Life of Brian skit - yeah, but besides, better health care, streets, clean water, sewage, etc. what have the romans done for us...<BR/><BR/>Let me put it this way... even those on welfare today lead better lives than Kings and Queens of several hundred years ago. We have light at the flick of a switch, hot and cold inside running water, pills and potions for aches and pains, food a plenty, clothes for all seasons.<BR/><BR/>It is true that most people will come and go without adding anything other to human existance than other humans. But the achievement of what human beings, as a race, have done, is there for you to see when you look out of your window.<BR/><BR/>We can travel further in a day via commercial airline than people of old could travel in their entire life.<BR/><BR/>If you're are talking about the ability to think rationally. Then I am saddened that not much progress as a whole has been found. "The Madness of crowds and extraordinary popular delusions" still rules the day for the majority. But if you want to Look for ways in which humans have not Progressed, then you'll find all you want.<BR/><BR/>BTW, here is a link to a graphic of the Birth data / Stock price I mentioned elsewhere http://www.nowlive.com/viewer.aspx?id=115475<BR/><BR/>MoTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-35147850639619773562008-07-17T23:59:00.000-07:002008-07-17T23:59:00.000-07:00This is an interesting thread. What HT wrote belo...This is an interesting thread. What HT wrote below my initial quote was great. I have been debating this interest game for about 10 years. Prohibition against interest in Deuteronomy is about as close to absolute as the prohibition against murder. Damn clear that you are selling your future when you borrow. It is also clear that one cannot pay back more than they borrowed, which is what happens when bank lending is done. I can kind of buy into the debt/equity kind of lending where one puts up their cash for a return out of an entity, but even then what HT says is pretty much true. For if I have most of the money and I draw interest on most of the money, even at risk, I end up with all the money and all the property. Even if I don't have most of the money, but quite a bit of it, if I can draw a return off my cash, my proportion of what is out there will increase. That said, one has to be really stupid to let go of his money in such a system or borrow it from others at interest. I'm not sure what to do, but I do know that implosion is part of the game here and I accept that. Without this system, man might be in the cave still and look at all the bull crap we would miss out on. One of the things supposedly in operation during biblical times was called the Jubilee, which forgave all debt every 50 years. A test of ones generousity was whether they would make a loan close to the jubilee. It appears that debt is forgiven every so often whether we like it or not and it might become a good idea to get back to such a system rather than the implosion game we have going.mannfm11https://www.blogger.com/profile/06507232690375884354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-24709569762743337992008-07-14T13:07:00.000-07:002008-07-14T13:07:00.000-07:00the goobermental peebles have gone broke taking up...the goobermental peebles have gone broke taking upon themselves {usurpation} the right {?!} to rule & make life and death decisions for unruly people without permission. leave the pieces when you go. some of us will still be around to build the kingdom on the ruins of the Emerald City.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-39367673153740789352008-07-12T18:45:00.000-07:002008-07-12T18:45:00.000-07:00You may consider the Agraian Homestead a step back...You may consider the Agraian Homestead a step backward, but it is stable. If nothing but this single attribute lent itself to an ideal that was both desirable and doable by the salt-of-the-earth people, then you can Amish loving arse.<BR/><BR/>I've been told that they have a system of enpowering a young newlywed couple by contributing and amount to the most senior among them, beginning the day a child is born. This man buys land near Amish communities and either leases it, or turns it directly over to the young Man and his wife, debt-free.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you can see why this practise makes a king of a man, and his wife a queen, their children; princes and princesses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-55700188291602461062008-07-12T18:22:00.000-07:002008-07-12T18:22:00.000-07:00"For those advocating to reject our current system..."For those advocating to reject our current system of "interest and a medium of exchange" I say... Unless you are shunning the things progress has brought you (progress comes because of our sense of future value due to our ability to work towards something major thanks to Interest and an agreed upon medium of exchange - money), and are thus Leading By Example, you are a hypocrite."<BR/><BR/>MoT..you call it progress. Sure, we have more toys, bigger houses, instant communication, ipods, wii and what have you. But how have we progressed as human beings. Not you specifically... in general. <BR/><BR/>Progress implies improvement.<BR/><BR/>How can you claim progress when here we are again heading for another depression and yet another war. <BR/><BR/>Looks to me like a lot has been accomplished... we've gone full circle and ended up exactly where we started. <BR/><BR/>I sure don't have any answers as to how it could be different. But reading the blog and the comments have been an education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-11182822989989871762008-07-12T16:27:00.000-07:002008-07-12T16:27:00.000-07:00Human beings are the only thing on the planet that...Human beings are the only thing on the planet that can choose to self terminate. Everything else fights to live.<BR/><BR/>Guilt, self hate, etc., are not caused by yourself - or by you accepting to be that way. You do not need Drugs to deal live with yourself.<BR/><BR/>I have no guilt or self hate or depression. I also consume no drugs - not even coffee. The only person that can get you down is You! (Even if someone else is trying to make you feel guilty or not worthy.)<BR/><BR/>The Logical Conclusion may be to implode (reset) and start again. And this may be deemed the path of least resistance - by HT. But what is the alternative? An Agrarian society where there is no progress and we live off the land in small communities. Like the Amish.<BR/><BR/>For those advocating to reject our current system of "interest and a medium of exchange" I say... Unless you are shunning the things progress has brought you (progress comes because of our sense of future value due to our ability to work towards something major thanks to Interest and an agreed upon medium of exchange - money), and are thus Leading By Example, you are a hypocrite.<BR/><BR/>Of course, there is a difference between Informing people of a problem - and - suggesting alternatives and not pursuing those alternatives yourself - as politicians do any time they Suggest to use public transport while they take private jets and drive in limos.<BR/><BR/>As for Hording and Electronic Currency. Most Currency Transactions are done electronically now. When a House is purchased the money is all Electronic. I despise the day physical currency is removed. Of course, people will adopt their own form of physical currency - which the govt will call illegal, black market, etc.<BR/><BR/>It is wise to Prepare for a tough time ahead - some money in reserve, food in reserve. And if you want to join a Back To The Earth movement, then do so, so you'll learn some Survival Tips. And certainly grow your own food. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.<BR/><BR/>All money comes from other people.<BR/><BR/>MoTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-71937402939728289802008-07-11T12:34:00.000-07:002008-07-11T12:34:00.000-07:00"Human beings are the only thing within the Univer..."Human beings are the only thing within the Universe that have an ability to choose to follow the path of most resistance."<BR/><BR/>Excellent observation, HT. I can see clearly that the simple act of choosing the easy way out is what activates 'guilt' 'fear' 'self-hate' 'depression' and a whole host of other debilitating elements of internal conflict. The only way we can rid ourselves of those feelings or at least learn to live with ourselves is by way of drugs, alcohol, entertainment, government, insurance, weapons, porn, etc.. The top gives us what we want and it has side effects; it keeps us anesthetized. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Revelation...Yes it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-81395029038125773332008-07-11T11:42:00.000-07:002008-07-11T11:42:00.000-07:00That post was a repost of an older post...The prim...That post was a repost of an older post...<BR/><BR/>The primary cause of inflation in human affairs...is reproduction...the primary cause of inflation within monetary affairs, which is of course a part of human affairs...Is interest attached to the medium of exchange.<BR/><BR/>Mannfm11...Interest attached to the medium of exchange is the cause of fractional reserve banking...not an effect of fractional reserve banking.<BR/><BR/>If you are for interest attached to the medium...Then you are for fractional reserve banking without any need to state you are...as soon as you demand more back than you give...You are fractionally reserveing...<BR/><BR/>Ultimately there is no solution to the problem except implosion.<BR/><BR/>Of course once you choose to cause the problem...<BR/><BR/>the only way to escape the problem is to choose not to cause the problem.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately when the time comes to choose...the top is there waiting and at that critical point all the power the top has is used to force the bottom into following the path of least resistance...<BR/><BR/>The bottom has been choosing to cause this problem over and over again for 1000's of years.<BR/><BR/>If I put a gun to your head and tell you to kill another person or I kill you...and you choose to kill another person...<BR/><BR/>It's your fault...<BR/><BR/>Sure the top has made the right choice hard to make but you all still can choose the right path...<BR/><BR/>But what is the right path?<BR/><BR/>Do as I say and be rewarded or fail and suffer...<BR/><BR/>As long as you all choose to attempt to escape suffering...All you will do is follow the path of least resistance to it's logical conclusion...<BR/><BR/>Like a lightning bolt...or bacteria...<BR/><BR/>You all can of course choose to follow the path of most resistance...<BR/><BR/>guess what...of all the things and of all known life...In the Universe...<BR/><BR/>Human beings are the only thing within the Universe that have an ability to choose to follow the path of most resistance.<BR/><BR/>Everything else...Is oblivious and follows the path of least resistance by default.<BR/><BR/>The top does not want those below them to stop worshiping the top...The top wants all below to follow the path of least resistance...<BR/><BR/>It's why the top use the power the bottom gives them to keep all below oblivious.<BR/><BR/>Of revelation.HYPERTlGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03351868801627245661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-86702029981575321252008-07-11T10:09:00.000-07:002008-07-11T10:09:00.000-07:00Another solution:Remember people's promises and th...Another solution:<BR/><BR/>Remember people's promises and the result. That's all the medium of exchange does: it let's two people trust each others' promise to deliver value.<BR/><BR/>You trust your buddy to give you that CD in exchange for helping him fix his flat tire. That trust comes from remembering his previous promises. So do the same electronically. Then 2 people who don't know each other can trust each other.<BR/><BR/>This is also possible with today's technology. Medium of exchange becomes entirely fluid and determined by the 2 people in the transaction. Ie. it can never be hoarded and is only limited by people's desire to transact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-41133281664498556652008-07-11T09:53:00.000-07:002008-07-11T09:53:00.000-07:00The medium of exchange can only be rented if it's ...The medium of exchange can only be rented if it's hoarded. If it can't be hoarded, the "compound interest" problem disappears.<BR/><BR/>Here's a simple solution. Imagine:<BR/>- electronic gold<BR/>- electronic silver<BR/>- electronic copper<BR/>- etc.<BR/><BR/>Pay in electronic gold and receive electronic silver. That could be implemented now with today's technology and existing banking system. Someone takes a vig on the exchange, but it would be impossible to hoard all possible mediums of exchange.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-19560717217164769502008-07-11T05:41:00.000-07:002008-07-11T05:41:00.000-07:00Hyper,I would be most interested in how you think ...Hyper,<BR/>I would be most interested in how you think a new system without compound interest might work. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-49597346079752672752008-07-11T02:03:00.000-07:002008-07-11T02:03:00.000-07:00Andrew,Thanks for your additional thoughts."I'm ar...Andrew,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your additional thoughts.<BR/><BR/>"I'm arguing from the perspective that there should be no incentive to build wealth."<BR/><BR/>We all - yes, even animals in the wild have a sense of Property/Ownership. Be it possessions or territory. It is Inherent. If I have Zero chance of owning anything my incentive for effort is just enough to get by (and I'll most likely be living in a socialist/communist system as well). Without a sense of ownership I have no future. Without a sense of future value - I have a future and it has a value and can be worked towards - I again have no incentive to Strive, worker hard, etc., to better my current situation. And without such, we have No Progress.<BR/><BR/>"Why isn't our goal to live in harmony"<BR/><BR/>That is the line put forth by countless religions - love your fellow man, live in harmony, live for others. It is a line put forth by someone or some entity that is looking for a Slave/Master relationship. Where YOU, who buy into it, do the work for living in harmony. While those who suggest it run the show and live off of the fruits of your efforts. Churches become Mega Wealthy when their Flock buy into this.<BR/><BR/>All you end up with is a bunch of suckers. Those who choose not to live in harmony Take Advantage of those who choose to live in Harmony.<BR/><BR/>"The current foundation of our entrie civilization is one based on accumulation of personal wealth and "individual" accountability. But as social beings living together on this planet that type of system only creates hierarchies designed to manipulate, concentrate power, etc."<BR/><BR/>It is the live-for-others, altruistic concept that creates hierarchies and manipulation. Because it encourages people to Give Up their own needs for the needs of others - as determined by a Lord. Power is thus GIVEN to the overlord. And if you won't give it, they will try to Take It (force it out of you). But Physical power only gets so far. Better to CON the people into Giving it.<BR/><BR/>And BTW, we have anything But individual accountability. We have the opposite. Where people are encouraged NOT to be responsible. Wasn't their fault they stabbed themselves in the eye with a pencil - it was the manufacturers fault for not warning that eye damage could occur from the sharp object. Criminals, while sometimes being punished for their acts, can have their actions passed on to Bad Parents or singel parent or whatever else that Made them do it. It wasn't my fault is the mantra of the day.<BR/><BR/>"Yet these two differences are the foundation of millenia of conflicts leading to death, poverty, famine, and never to die grudges."<BR/><BR/>People do Not naturally hate a person of different color. That kind of behavior is Learned. And once learned it is Inflamed by so-called leaders. Be it a Muslim Imam telling the drones that woman are like pieces of meat left out for a cat and deserve any Assault that happens to them, or inciting them to violence or whatever. Be it some Christian Vicar/Priest leading his Flock to Burn witches. Be it Jesse Jckson stiring up Racial Tensions. And so on and so forth.<BR/><BR/>A person cannot Wage A War by themselves. They are Incited to, as a group, by their so-called leaders (those who they follow in one way or another). And their leaders have other desires that have nothing to do with skin color - heck, the various Tribes in Zimbabwe can't get along and they are all "black".<BR/><BR/>"Maybe the fact that we use about 5-7% of our brainpower has something to do with it."<BR/><BR/>Please, before continuing this 5% thing, double check your Source. And so I ask... Who Says we only use 5% of our brainpower? What Study showed this to be the case?<BR/><BR/>I Am outside the Matrix. I am so outside the Matrix it's not funny. People often think I am strange. I think I have been mistakenly beamed down to Stupid Earth instead of Intelligent Earth where I come from HA!<BR/><BR/>MessianicDruid...<BR/><BR/>"your incentive to lend without usury is that you are lending to your brethren, and this builds trust"<BR/><BR/>Ok. I feel you won't (or refuse to) understand why we need other than Goodwill/trust as incentive. So how about this...<BR/><BR/>You lend me $10,000 on my say so I will pay it back. How much Trust do you place in your fellow brethren to do the right thing. And when they don't, how much more Work are you willing to do to accumulate another $10k and Lend it on trust?<BR/><BR/>MoTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-85407743273446746112008-07-10T13:10:00.000-07:002008-07-10T13:10:00.000-07:00"It is really too bad that not a single religion o..."It is really too bad that not a single religion on earth addresses the issue of usury."<BR/><BR/>Nonsense...<BR/><BR/>.....That is a central tenet of true Christianity, (not to be confused with "judeo"-Christianity, of which, there is no such thing)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-31326741904269273802008-07-10T10:45:00.000-07:002008-07-10T10:45:00.000-07:00Hyper, I think you should be the author of a new a...Hyper, I think you should be the author of a new age religion based on anti-slavery. It is really too bad that not a single religion on earth addresses the issue of usury.Djangofanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09632187304396479089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-77049916822782576362008-07-10T07:58:00.000-07:002008-07-10T07:58:00.000-07:00MoTwe're arguing from different philospophical per...MoT<BR/><BR/>we're arguing from different philospophical perspectives i think. your system is similar to our current system, in which there is individual responsibility to provide for one's own sustenance and incentive to build wealth. I'm arguing from the perspective that there should be no incentive to build wealth. Why isn't our goal to live in harmony, develop our resources responsibly, and put all of our technological efforts towards innovations and breakthroughs that would eventually have us join the federations of space travelers that figured it out a long time ago in far away places? <BR/><BR/>The current foundation of our entrie civilization is one based on accumulation of personal wealth and "individual" accountability. But as social beings living together on this planet that type of system only creates hierarchies designed to manipulate, concentrate power, etc. <BR/><BR/>Think about it. The only distinguishing characteristics humans have amongst each other are skin pigmentation and language. Besides those, we are almost identical in biological makeup. Yet these two differences are the foundation of millenia of conflicts leading to death, poverty, famine, and never to die grudges. Can you see how primitive we are? This is what I'm talking about. <BR/><BR/>We all share this teeny little rock in the vastness of space and we have no fucking clue what we're doing, at least the vast majority of us. The ones who have figured it out are the "top" - and they don't seem to be interested in sharing much of anything, or "leading" us in the right direction, do they? <BR/><BR/>The goal should be to efficiently and morally do away with the basic challenges facing mankind so that we can face the real frontiers. Those of inter-dimensional travel, zero point energy, exploration of this and other universes. Rather than killing each other over pagan beliefs and finite energy sources. Haha! We're like dogs who piss and shit in public! They have no concept of shame, nor should they! But can the same be said for mankind? <BR/><BR/>Maybe the fact that we use about 5-7% of our brainpower has something to do with it. I think that's changing, and with it greater awareness, yet it may not bear fruit before we destroy ourselves and have to "start over again" as HT puts it. <BR/><BR/>Think OUTSIDE the matrix!SLV Traderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12514388160162781570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-84751871065234629352008-07-09T18:20:00.000-07:002008-07-09T18:20:00.000-07:00Man has no natural predator,none to speak of anywa...Man has no natural predator,none to speak of anyway; so maybe our Lord(s) created one for us with this system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-86545685415474350072008-07-09T18:18:00.000-07:002008-07-09T18:18:00.000-07:00"But you can't because compound interest is your G..."But you can't because compound interest is your GOD"<BR/><BR/>if truth is GOD and GOD is truth, and if truth doesn't make the rules, it only makes the Law, your g- o - d is an idol. an idol that is usurping the authority of truth by making and loving a lie.<BR/><BR/>your incentive to lend without usury is that you are lending to your brethren, and this builds trust between family members, if they renig on it no more trust deserve they until it is made right. all debts are moot at the sabbath year anyway. so one would be giving the gift if it went beyond that time frame. <BR/><BR/>"Will it happen? Or will the Currency be Revalued to disguise inflation and we start the ball rolling again."<BR/><BR/>The only revalue that would work would be a decimal point hijack, just move the period one digit... this would make a ten cent item sell for a penny, and a "dollar" item sell for a dime...<BR/><BR/>we gotta keep those pennies worth something or people will quit using them, i picked up two dimes in the gas station parking lot the other day... no one had the time or inclination to stoop over {work} and pick them up off the ground.<BR/><BR/> I kinda like pennies and nickels and dimes, I started working at age thirteen, bussing tables tables in a steakhouse resturant for fifty cents an hour. no tips, the waitresses got the tips... those people would leave pennies, nickels and dimes.<BR/><BR/>the hotel had an old elevator that required a human operator. the old man that I eventually replaced sold moonshine out of the basement. <BR/><BR/>I used to throw hay also, 1 cent per bail. we could haul one ton of hay on an old pickup truck. every trip to the barn was thirty cents.<BR/><BR/>back then you didn't get paid for your time you got paid for actual work, no paper shuffling, the hay got in the barn or the dishes got in the kitchen, or you didn't get paid.<BR/><BR/>i had been going to the store with a list for my mother for years, so I knew what money was, or at least I thought I did. a franklin half-dollar was a substantial piece of coin back then, it could keep you in candy and BBB {boston baked beans} for a week. life was good.<BR/><BR/>I had a ten speed bike to trade in on my honda super90. at fourteen you could drive a motorcycle back then, and a tank full of gas was about 1.25 which would take you umpteen miles... i had a little time for basketball.<BR/><BR/>yes, those old pennies, nickels and dime need to start recirculating. we are about at a point where a silver dime will still buy a decent amount of quality candy, if you can find anyone who still makes it. but if you spend it today you will regret it tommorrow because the dollar is disappearing. wait until it gets revalued, as described...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-60889346408718950722008-07-09T17:43:00.000-07:002008-07-09T17:43:00.000-07:00good grief, getta GRIP!good grief, getta GRIP!Strikerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592142587841200130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-10822474540758039642008-07-09T12:45:00.000-07:002008-07-09T12:45:00.000-07:00"why must this incentive be monetary? Why can't it..."why must this incentive be monetary? Why can't it be goodwill?"<BR/><BR/>Because Goodwill will NOT put food on my table. It will not clothe me. Sure, I may be able to get Handouts - but - those handouts had to be created by someone first.<BR/><BR/>What happens in a System where people are rewarded for their effort by Goodwill is... people do less work than others and still get the goodies - food, clothing, shelter. Why bust my balls when the basic reward is the same?<BR/><BR/>The problem is not Interest attached to the medium of exchange. The problem is... we have a medium of exchange to begin with. And we choose to live.<BR/><BR/>Previously, I was not clear in my Closed System. So let me set the scenario and YOu follow it and adjust accordingly...<BR/><BR/>Everyone works in a bread factory. There is only one good sold in the system - bread. It sells for $1 per loaf. People are paid $10 per day. And need two different loaves per day.<BR/><BR/>Scenario: The population is fixed. 1000 people.<BR/><BR/>Total sales = 2,000. $2,000 in sales. At $10 per day wages and no profit to the company, only 100 people can be employed (90% unemployment).<BR/><BR/>To employ more people the wages have to come down (or real buying power of wages drops - prices rise in reality) - or - more bread needs to be sold.<BR/><BR/>The company decides to make a profit - afterall, the owner needs to eat too. So a system is worked out to make the same bread with one less person. Everyone now makes $10 per day - including the owner.<BR/><BR/>The owner says... screw this... I have all this extra work of sales and marketing and distribution and paying people, but get the same money as the guy standing on the line. As I have more responsibility, I deserve more money. There goes another worker - or, wages drop or prices rise.<BR/><BR/>The Only way is to drop production costs or increase prices. But a fixed system has limitations.<BR/><BR/>ALL things must expand/grow to live. An economy is no different. A fixed system will eventually die.<BR/><BR/>A fluxing system will eventually turn into a fixed system in a fixed area. And will also die.<BR/><BR/>There is no escape.<BR/><BR/>MoTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-82241317567740870902008-07-09T11:49:00.000-07:002008-07-09T11:49:00.000-07:00yes, but "interest" and "the hearts of men" are co...yes, but "interest" and "the hearts of men" are connected. as someone mentioned "incentive" earlier, why must this incentive be monetary? Why can't it be goodwill? This truly is a delusional and psychotic society. Nothing is static, all is set in motion. If any hierarchy exists it will move towards one extreme or another, currently we have one in which there is a "pyramid", currently at approx 60/30/10 poor/middle/rich - quickly moving to an 85/14/1 ratio with devastating and horrific real results. Unless the FABRIC of our earth systems are based on goodwill, love, and sustenance (i.e resource sharing, education, etc), rather than greed, power-basing, and competition (i.e. current system) then the direction of the perpetual motion i referred to will always lead to destruction no matter which way the pendulum swings. <BR/><BR/>loose money aka fiat leads to loose morals and then geometrically exponential decay within all of society's substructures, i.e healthcare, crime, nutrition, living standards, decency, mortality, etc. It degrades to full capacity. <BR/><BR/>Hell has always existed on earth, it's just the extent to which it covered the surface of the earth which is variable. <BR/><BR/>this is rinse and repeat. the failure of most people to comprehend and accept these cycles has to do with our dislocation from natural law, natural cycles, and biosperic cause and effect. all of which is becoming balanced very quickly, with devestating results for current living organisms (incl humans). The intentional hollowing out of the education system has produced a whole generation of "intelligent" people who have alot of trouble wrapping their minds around these facts that are written in stone by history both ancient and recent. <BR/><BR/>HT is going to great lengths to explain this to people. I think people are beginning to sort of kind of like maybe understand a little... =(<BR/><BR/>as a species we are still incredibly primitive. All species that have evolved past our current point and moved on to space travel, and are now observing us, know this already. The proof in the pudding are the laughable shenanigans you see portayed daily in the world news i.e. global politics, war mongering, propaganda and social engineering systems. It is all very blatant and obvious now only to a few, the rest seem to be chemically lobotomized. Reality truly is stranger than fiction in its UTTER IRONY.SLV Traderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12514388160162781570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-83190761711185935742008-07-09T07:23:00.000-07:002008-07-09T07:23:00.000-07:00"If a couch is $1000 and one wants to pay in incre...<B>"If a couch is $1000 and one wants to pay in increments, the producer could charge 100 per month for a full year, for ... 20% simple interest charge OR they could charge the customer 100 per month for a full year with the extra 200 to cover the "accounting fee". There is NO structural difference."</B><BR/><BR/><BR/>Accounting Fee? It's interest plain and simple. Symantics is what you are using just like the politicians. If I start saving at 18 and stick with it until retirement, I have gone without in the here and now for future consumption. It's not evil, but rather intelligence. I have a plan. It's the irresponsible fools who use credit in the stupidest ways possible that screws the system up.<BR/><BR/>Austrians believe that an expansion of money and credit is inflation while a contraction in money and credit is disinflation or outright deflation. Period!<BR/><BR/>Forget about interest and spend more time on the hearts of men. Glass-Steagall was the barrier that kept animal spirits in check. Greed is the real problem as per the internal documents concerning all the acronym instruments unleashed on the world. Interest alone could never have spawned the debacle we are about to face.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-90118187530534838672008-07-09T01:01:00.000-07:002008-07-09T01:01:00.000-07:00If there is no interest (or accounting fee) attach...If there is no interest (or accounting fee) attached to the Money, then there is no Incentive to Lend it to anyone.<BR/><BR/>Sure someone can go Farm. But what about, say, buying a piece of machinery. Maybe a $500k piece of machinery. If a person could Save $100 a week, it would take them 100 years to acquire it.<BR/><BR/>You could say, the price will drop to make the sale. And that may be true. And if so, wages would also be less accordingly. And the machine would still take 100 years to acquire.<BR/><BR/>The machine might have an intrinsic cost of $500k. And so the manufacturer Lends you the money... here, sign here and pay us back the $500k over ten years, plus $1 contract fee.<BR/><BR/>Even this $1 contract fee, taken to its end, will implode the system. But that $1 fee, may really have been necessary to fund the paper and the envelope to send the contract to the Holder of Contracts.<BR/><BR/>If the seller is to pay, then They will slowly be out of business themselves.<BR/><BR/>So you identify the problem - interest - fine. What Solution do you offer?<BR/><BR/>A closed system.<BR/><BR/>So 100 people each have 100 tokens. One of them is a workaholic. And does everyone's lawn for a token. he now has 200 token and closes his business down. Eventually, with all spending the same, they will have no token and he will have 101. The shop owner will have heaps more. Because he paid less then he got in. And either one can now Lend token to the others. Same ol' shite again.<BR/><BR/>Onward. Will the system implode?<BR/><BR/>According to Dent - who studied birth data and correlated it with the stock market rises and falls - the rise and fall of the stock market matches the birth rate offset by many years. Thus, the Boomers high rate declines at some point, right? Well, the offset shows, thus... that 2008 is the year the stockmarket will decline and be in decline for a decade or more.<BR/><BR/>Will it happen? Or will the Currency be Revalued to disguise inflation and we start the ball rolling again. <BR/><BR/>BTW, in a closed system, people breeding and thus altering their expenditures sees the money gravitate towards fewer people.<BR/><BR/>I have no solutions. Just questions.<BR/><BR/>MoTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32972305.post-67438837047999209942008-07-09T00:08:00.000-07:002008-07-09T00:08:00.000-07:00Exceptional and deep. The finish is really good b...Exceptional and deep. The finish is really good because we don't know where we are. I read a book called the Lost Cause, written about the Civil War in 1867 from a southern perspective and the author said that the marginal advantage that the North had in controlling the US government was enough to bankrupt the south in less than 30 years. As I wrote the other day, I don't know how to change this, but I do know the use of fractional reserve banking and the guarantee against loss in lending has to be ended. I beg to differ about the Austrians as Von Mises was against fractional reserve banking and I believe they knew that interest could only go on so long and those that couldn't pay and those that couldn't collect had to take their losses. I can see your problem being that in this world, the top already has almost the entire supply of what is going to be money this time, the last time and next time and if they don't have all of it, they have enough of it that they will get the rest of it. I heard a guy on a tape once state that currency wasn't what you had, but what you owed and that is why they called it a bill. The Fed issues non interest bearing notes in return for interest bearing US debt. It takes more currency than exists in the world to pay the debt owed the Fed at any given time.mannfm11https://www.blogger.com/profile/06507232690375884354noreply@blogger.com